{"id":3963,"date":"2017-12-11T17:24:20","date_gmt":"2017-12-11T17:24:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/socialcoldstreams.wordpress.com\/?p=3963"},"modified":"2025-01-17T03:34:19","modified_gmt":"2025-01-17T03:34:19","slug":"full-text-of-the-comment-that-was-shadow-banned-by-oregonian-newspaper","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/coldstreams.com\/social\/2017\/12\/11\/full-text-of-the-comment-that-was-shadow-banned-by-oregonian-newspaper\/","title":{"rendered":"Full text of the comment that was shadow banned by Oregonian newspaper"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>The next morning, my comment remains shadow banned by the Oregonian.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/socialcoldstreams.wordpress.com\/2017\/12\/11\/i-was-shadow-banned-by-oregonian-censorship-a-powerful-form-of-propaganda\/\">Here is the description of the shadow ban, from last night with a screen capture of how the ban appears.<\/a> (This link goes to the old WordPress.com website for this blog: <a href=\"https:\/\/socialcoldstreams.wordpress.com\/2017\/12\/11\/i-was-shadow-banned-by-oregonian-censorship-a-powerful-form-of-propaganda\/\">https:\/\/socialcoldstreams.wordpress.com\/2017\/12\/11\/i-was-shadow-banned-by-oregonian-censorship-a-powerful-form-of-propaganda\/<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here, I present the full text of the shadow banned comment plus the supplementary information for how I obtained the facts presented in the comment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Here are actual price quotes from HealthCare.gov.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The first quotes are for a 64 year old married couple earning pre-tax income of $65,000 per year, which is above the subsidy cut off level, hence, no subsidies. These quotes are for the least cost benchmark Silver plan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Asheville, NC &#8211; $34,344 per year + $14,000 deductible<br>\nBaker City, OR and Burns, OR &#8211; $28,344 + $5,000 deductible<br>\nBirmingham, AL &#8211; $30,732 + $10,000 deductible<br>\nBozeman, MT &#8211; $38,956 + $11,400 deductible<br>\nBreckenridge, CO &#8211; $29,099 + $9,000 deductible<br>\nCharlottesville, VA &#8211; $56,998 + $9,000 deductible<br>\nFlagstaff, AZ &#8211; Flagstaff, AZ &#8211; $34,824 + $8,000 deductible (this is LESS than last year&#8217;s $36,000)<br>\nHomer, AK &#8211; $40,320 + $9,000 deductible (LESS than last year&#8217;s $48,000)<br>\nLaramie, WY &#8211; $49,164 + $5,000 deductible<br>\nMedway, ME &#8211; $$34,571 + $6,7000 deductible<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here are some quotes for a family of 5, a married 53 year old couple with 3 dependents age 21, 18 and 15.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Charlottesville, VA &#8211; $64,836 + $9,200 deductible<br>\nLaramie, WY &#8211; $55,943 + $5,000 deductible<br>\nWinnemucca, NV &#8211; $34,903 + $13,600 deductible<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Some may be surprised that a person earning $65,000 per year may have $30,000 to $55,000 per year in insurance premiums &#8211; and not receive a subsidy. This occurs because the ACA determines the subsidy cut off level by the regional poverty income level &#8211; it has nothing to do with the insurance premiums actually paid in the market. Consequently, the married couples in Charlottesville VA and Laramie WY are told to spend more than their after tax income on health insurance + deductible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note &#8211; rates are nearly flat from age 21 to age 40. At age 43, rate curves turn sharply upward and rise extremely rapidly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The ACA and the IRS define &#8220;Coverage considered unaffordable&#8221; as the least cost Bronze plan costing more than 8.13% of your modified adjusted gross income. To illustrate, if your family&#8217;s least cost bronze premium were $8,130 per year, if you earn less than $100,000 you are exempt from the individual mandate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Using a real example, the married 64 year old couple in Baker City or Burns OR is exempt if they earn less than $348,634 per year in income.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Actual rate quotes from across the country show that by the ACA&#8217;s own definitions, many families in their 30s, most families in their 40s, and essentially everyone over 50 is exempt from the individual mandate at this time rendering political arguments over the mandate as entirely moot. The ACA itself has already repealed the mandate. (And it doesn&#8217;t matter, as the Frean\/Gruber paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine, in October 2016, found that the individual mandate has had no discernible impact on sign ups. For those that don&#8217;t know, Jonathan Gruber was considered the co-architect of the ACA as its design is based on his 20+ years of health policy research.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sadly, we have not seen the above information in many news articles as coverage has been woefully inadequate, primarily covering benefits and rarely to never discussing actual problems and how they might realistically be resolved.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Supplementary Information<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>All price quotes are from the U.S. government run web site healthcare.gov.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The following information was used in obtaining the price quotes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Family 1 &#8211; a 64 year old married couple<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Family 2 &#8211; a 53 year old married couple with 3 dependents, age 21, 18, 15.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Zip Codes Used at HealthCare.gov<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Copy of the notes file I maintained while looking up this information in November 2017).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Asheboro, NC 27203 (note png says Asheville due to typo)<br>\nBaker City, OR 97814<br>\nBurns OR 97720<br>\nBozeman MT 59715<br>\nFlagstaff AZ 86001<br>\nHillsboro 97124<br>\nHomer AK 99603<br>\nKlamath Falls OR 97601, 52, 52, 21, 18, 15 age of dependents, income $116,000\/year<br>\nLaramie WY 8207<br>\nCheyenne, WY 82007<br>\nReno 89502<br>\nGrand Junction CO 81506, http:\/\/connectforhealthco.com\/<br>\nSanta Fe, NM 87501<br>\nWoodinville WA 98072, https:\/\/www.wahealthplanfinder.org\/<br>\nWinnemucca NV 89445<br>\nBandon OR 97411<br>\nBoise, 83704, Birthdate 03\/01\/1954, https:\/\/www.yourhealthidaho.org\/<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps:\/\/www.healthcare.gov\/see-plans\/#\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>2018 Data from healthcare.gov or state web sites<br>\nBoise, 83704, Birthdate 03\/01\/1954<br>\nhttps:\/\/www.yourhealthidaho.org\/<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Additional Reference Information<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yes, I really do log what I do, in great detail.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Frean, B., Gruber, J., Sommers, B. (2016). \u201cDisentangling the ACA\u2019s coverage effects \u2013 lessons for policymakers\u201d.&nbsp; N Engl J Med 2016; 375:1605-1608 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nejm.org\/toc\/nejm\/375\/17\/\">October 27, 2016<\/a> DOI: 10.1056\/NEJMp1609016 Retrieved from: http:\/\/www.nejm.org\/doi\/full\/10.1056\/NEJMp1609016#t=article<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IRS. (2017). IRS Form 8965 Instructions. Retrieved from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/pub\/irs-pdf\/i8965.pdf\">https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/pub\/irs-pdf\/i8965.pdf<\/a>. See page 3 (Coverage considered unaffordable) and page 9 (Determining an individuals\u2019 required contribution \u2013 individuals not eligible for coverage under an employer)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>eHealth. (2017). \u201cAffordable Care Act Health Insurance Will be Unaffordable in 2018 for Many Middle-income American families, eHealth Analysis Shows\u201d. Retrieved from <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ehealthinsurance.com\/news\/affordable-care-act-health-insurance-will-be-unaffordable-in-2018-for-many-middle-income-american-families-ehealth-analysis-shows\">https:\/\/news.ehealthinsurance.com\/news\/affordable-care-act-health-insurance-will-be-unaffordable-in-2018-for-many-middle-income-american-families-ehealth-analysis-shows<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Additional Information<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I also saved complete copies of the downloaded HTML pages from the logged in state and the not logged in state, plus screen captures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Oregonian did publish my follow up question, in the comments, asking why my earlier comment was shadow banned. However, there is no answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As of today, we will no longer be reading the Oregonian newspaper due to their heavy handed censorship of factual speech. In actual fact I had already limited myself to reading just one article per day due to issues I had already spotted in their content.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I anticipate taking a far harsher tone towards the creation of fictional news by the sanctimonious press. Remember, the definition of &#8220;fake news&#8221; is the use of a variety of methods, including exaggeration, distortion, emotional hooks and falsehoods to sell eyeballs to advertisers. Many &#8220;fake news&#8221; services are social media based, online, for profit businesses. Which describes most so-called mainstream media today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The next morning, my comment remains shadow banned by the Oregonian. Here is the description of the shadow ban, from last night with a screen capture of how the ban appears. (This link goes to the old WordPress.com website for this blog: https:\/\/socialcoldstreams.wordpress.com\/2017\/12\/11\/i-was-shadow-banned-by-oregonian-censorship-a-powerful-form-of-propaganda\/) Here, I present the full text of the shadow banned comment plus the supplementary information for how I obtained the facts presented in the comment. Here are actual price quotes from HealthCare.gov. 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